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17 beeing around SSJB seems legit to me
Topic Started: Apr 18 2017, 06:11 AM (1,986 Views)
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Apr 20 2017, 01:15 AM
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Apr 19 2017, 11:02 PM
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Apr 19 2017, 08:56 PM
The guy was enhanced to be superior to a alien who's growth rate was near Incalculable, Lapis came to be a match for Kamicollo, who's stronger than a Super Saiyan. He never touched his ki reserved at all, but this is the reason he became strong as heck. He has massive potential that was consequently, unleashed during the 10 year gap from then. So I don't find it farfetched.

Frieza (Namek) <<<< Lapis/17 <<<< Majin Buu <<<< Frieza (RoF w/4 months) <<<< Lapis/17 (10 yes) <<< Majin Buu (2 days)

Not really farfetched.
Great potential isn't enough, what training could he do alone on an island?

Goku when he trains doesn't just go train, he says "let me train at King Kai's place" and now "let me train at Beerus' place" and Vegeta has his gravity chamber but even that is pretty insufficient these days.

If 17 had used any of those methods to catch up with or even surpass Goku and Vegeta, I'd be fine with it because as you said, he must have great potential but he should still need more than being a park ranger to bring it out, that's what doesn't make sense.
Vegeta trained on his lonesome twice in the series (once for the Artificial Humans and again for Goku "Black") and became superior to Goku, even though it was to a lesser extent for the AHs, but training by himself allowed for him to surpass those who had training partners.

Lapis, doesn't need to have a method for his power to rapidly be God level. Vegeta gotten so much stronger then "Black" that he stomped him, when all the rosat has to offer is child's play gravity (for him anyway) and fluctuating temperatures.
Fluctuating temperatures change the air too and besides, that's another part that annoys me anyway. I mean, at least he had the ROSAT though but since Whis' training, Super hasn't presented us with new power up methods, which Z did all the time.

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Okay but look at Uub, we know he's the reincarnation of Kid Buu but the thing about that is, Goku knew he'd be a powerhouse without actually fighting him first based off the fact that Uub used to be the powerful Kid Buu. Lapis has the luxury of being a AH that hasn't tapped into his ki reserves yet, and we clearly see a difference in power between the twins in Super where one is more of less still the same tier of power as before. He could've grasped what ki was during his bout with Piccolo and again once Goku called forth the entire planet to beat Buu giving him his genki. But still, I think you should wait before we pass judgment on how strong exactly Lapis really is.
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That's just another plothole. In Z, Androids were supposed to have unlimited stamina, no potential to grow stronger. Why they couldn't be sensed back in Z? Oh, I know... They surely must had God Ki, back then and there!

Makes perfect sense. C'mon, it's just another Toriyama's asspull and we know it.
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That's just another plothole. In Z, Androids were supposed to have unlimited stamina, no potential to grow stronger. Why they couldn't be sensed back in Z? Oh, I know... They surely must had God Ki, back then and there!

Makes perfect sense. C'mon, it's just another Toriyama's asspull and we know it.
Yeah, how I remember it too. Whatever, let's pretend 17 trained 10 years and got some more power. I did like his character. Let's go with Goku controlling his Ki better in SSJB and was holding back. That works :)
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